Germany and London Events

by Ron Gilbert
Jan 14, 2017

We're going to be do a little press tour in a few weeks through Germany and London and we're going to set up some fan events when you can hang out, chat about adventure games and play a little Thimbleweed Park and complain in person about <insert personal gripe about the game here>.

We looked into going to some other counties, but time and money was a limiting factor, so we apologize for that.

As we say in America: ROAD TRIP!

The prefered way to sign up is with Facebook by going HERE.

Or you can sign up HERE if you don't have Facebook.

But please don't sign up on both or you will make us cry.

We're not announcing where the fan parties are going to be until we have a count of people.

- Ron

Jammet - Jan 14, 2017 at 12:12

This is all I will be thinking about, as I'm stuck in Hannover, Germany. ;)

retroactive - Jan 14, 2017 at 12:23

awesome! i will come come :D (Berlin)

Zak Phoenix McKracken - Jan 14, 2017 at 12:37

OK, I should be there, if everything goes as it should go.
Munich on Jan 29th...

Jassen - Jan 14, 2017 at 12:39

Fantastic! I will try to see you guys at the London event. All the best!

Christian - Jan 14, 2017 at 12:47

Already signed up for the Munich event yesterday on Facebook. I live about 1,5 hours away in an other country, but it should be worth it. Can't wait :)

Also: Toilet paper "over" is the right answer obviously.

Zak Phoenix McKracken - Jan 14, 2017 at 18:16

Me, too. See you in Munich!

hihp - Jan 14, 2017 at 13:09

Already signed up for the Berlin event yesterday :-D

I live in Hamburg, which is only a two-hour train ride away from Berlin, so there is no way I'm gonna miss that!

Markus - Jan 14, 2017 at 13:13

Why Not cologne? Impossible for me right now to visit munich or Berlin.

entropy - Jan 14, 2017 at 15:24

Thanks for making this possible!

I'm sure they did their best when doing the decision. :)
Yet, I'd also think Cologne/Ruhrgebiet + Berlin would
have been a better choice for various reasons.

Big Red Button - Jan 14, 2017 at 18:10

On the other hand, the game was already shown at Gamescom in Cologne last year. And, I think that there are so many other countries in Europe that german fans can be happy enough about these two further opportunities.

entropy - Jan 14, 2017 at 19:14

I agree with all of that.
Forgot about Gamescom.

Markus - Jan 16, 2017 at 06:02

True, forgot about Gamescom too.

Deanobob - Jan 14, 2017 at 13:15

Haha! I am in Australia from the 25th until the 13th!

Paul Jacobson - Jan 14, 2017 at 13:49

Are we allowed to share this event on our timelines on facebook?
I know I can at the click of a button I just didn't want to do it without asking?

Daniel Wolf - Jan 14, 2017 at 13:51

I'll be in Munich! :-)

Zak Phoenix McKracken - Jan 14, 2017 at 18:18

Great! I will be very happy to meet you!

Daniel Wolf - Jan 15, 2017 at 03:30

Likewise! Luckily, you'll be easy enough to recognize -- what with your nose, mustache, glasses and all! ;-)

Seriously: Wouldn't it be cool to have paper name tags with our forum images and nicknames on them? (At least for those of us who aren't so boring that they use their actual name and picture! ;-) )

Zak Phoenix McKracken - Jan 15, 2017 at 05:25

I am a cosplayer, and my latest cosplay costume is Zak McKracken.
You can bet your lip-sync routines that I will come dressed like Zak McKracken, with glasses, nose, kazoo, crystals and phone bill! :-)
I second your idea of tags with name and picture of the blog!

Daniel Wolf - Jan 16, 2017 at 03:31

I'm not entirely sure if the first part of your message was serious. But it would be really cool if it were!

Zak Phoenix McKracken - Jan 16, 2017 at 03:58

Trust me, I'll do it!!

Gffp - Jan 16, 2017 at 07:02

INTERNATIONAL NEWS:

a suspected terroris has been arrested while approaching the most famous Ale House of Munich. He was hiding his face in a mask with big nose, mustache and big glasses. Police was allerted by his strange and hostile behaviour of pointing his finger to everyone was passing there. The identity of the man is unknown. He claims that he has been compelled by an undefined foreign mental force. He stated his name to be "Phoenix Wright". The arab nickname and the italian accent make the detectives think about an islamic terrorist who came in Europe troughout Italy where he planned his activities. "I only wanted to meet Ron Gilbert to talk about Thimbleweed Park" he stated. Interpol is now looking for his contact that is believed to be the boss, and has launched the "Thimbleweed Park Operation" to dismantle the terroristic organization.

Zak Phoenix McKracken - Jan 16, 2017 at 10:31

Uh oh... right, I have to hide my broom alien, too...

Gffp - Jan 16, 2017 at 11:19

Ahahah... Have a good time in Munich!

Big Red Button - Jan 16, 2017 at 14:45

Yes, have a good time in Munich!

Mattias Cedervall - Jan 18, 2017 at 17:42

That's funny. :-) It's funny because it's true.

Ema - Jan 17, 2017 at 12:21

The event in Munich is on sunday. What a pity, I'd loved to drive there, and I'd loved to meet Daniel Wolf and that crazy guy dressed as Zak McKracken...! :-D

Unluckily on monday morning I'll have to get up early, and it's 6 hours drive from Munich to home. I think I'll fly to Berlin instead.

longuist - Jan 17, 2017 at 13:56

Same for me. Its just 4 hours, but still, i want to hang out and drink sth. Daniel and Zak, won't you consider going to both events? :)
OBJECTION! I need evidence. Zak, i just want to know how pointy your hairdo is.
Is there something else? .... Ah yes. Ron is there too.

Zak Phoenix McKracken - Jan 17, 2017 at 16:53

@Ema: I choosed to take a train, 5,5 hours from Verona, and it arrives in the Central Station of Munich.
As for the crazy guy... you won't be disappointed :-D

@longuist: OVERRULED! You will have evidence! I'm preparing a new cosplay only for this event, a mix of Zak McKracken and Phoenix Wright... Zak Phoenix McKracken , of course!
I hope the police won't bring me in jail...

Arto - Jan 17, 2017 at 17:03

Zak: Don't steal the flagpole, and they won't jail you.

Ema - Jan 18, 2017 at 10:21

@Zak

What do you mean? I'll be disappointed, since I'll go to Berlin, so I can't meet you....
...or maybe are you managing to attend both events?

Zak Phoenix McKracken - Jan 18, 2017 at 12:53

I mean, "as for the crazy guy"... you won't be disappointed! I think I'm quite crazy, if you can't be in Munich, I'll send you some pictures.

Carlo Valenti - Jan 14, 2017 at 14:15

Some of us are PROBABLY going to the Thimbleweed Party on Feb 4th (Saturday) in Berlin,
starting from Orio al Serio in the morning,
and coming back the day after.

*Anyone from Italy wants to join?*

Ema - Jan 17, 2017 at 12:17

I'd like to.
Is there a mailing list? I'm not on the social networks.... How can I contact you?

Carlo Valenti - Jan 17, 2017 at 18:10

Contact me on this highly spammable email address :
carlovalenti@infinito.it

Ema - Jan 18, 2017 at 10:23

Thank you. I was going to write my spammable address too, but I didn't know if it was allowed. I mailed you.

Derrick Reisdorf - Jan 14, 2017 at 14:42

I wish you guys were at PAX South. :(

BoTToX - Jan 14, 2017 at 15:22

Holidays are over!
Finish this damn game !!!
Can't wait more to play :,(

Big Red Button - Jan 14, 2017 at 18:18

Ron calls it "press tour". I assume that they have a lot of things to do on this tour in order to promote the game. So, I wouldn't call it "holidays".

Zak Phoenix McKracken - Jan 14, 2017 at 18:53

"Press tour"
- That doesn't seem to work.
"Push tour"
- OK, it moved!

AEsti - Jan 14, 2017 at 15:29

A dream comes true! I cant believe! It´s so f***** awesome! I definitely come to the event in Berlin!

Mattias Cedervall - Jan 14, 2017 at 18:14

Ron, will you come to London?

Zak Phoenix McKracken - Jan 14, 2017 at 19:10

Which is the deadline for subscribing in each event?

Daniel Wolf - Jan 16, 2017 at 03:33

Would you believe that it took me several reads to get this? In my defense, I grew up with point-and-click and never really got the hang of parser games.

Daniel Wolf - Jan 16, 2017 at 03:38

Oops -- that was meant for your "press tour" comment.

Mister T - Jan 14, 2017 at 20:49

Will the absolution ceremony for pirating Monkey Island take place at those events?

Ema - Jan 15, 2017 at 04:42

Absolution ceremony!!!!!

:-DDD

Fantastic idea.
Really great. I want it.

tcmsurfer (Andreas) - Jan 15, 2017 at 05:07

Darn, I really wanna be there. I can get a train to Munich and back for 60 Euros!!! But that would be Munich Main Railwaystation!!!!! Would it be far from that? Please don't let it me far from that. I'd need to book early to get *this* price!

If so, count me in (will register separately).

If nothing else, would there be somebody in/around Munich so kind to pick me up from the railway station to go to our destination and back? *THAT* would be awesome.

Even better would be somebody from the Frankfurt area going down to Munich and willing to take another passenger. I'd pay half the gas cost of course!

I wish I could really go.

BTW - How long will that event be? If I do by train, I don't really want to spend the night, so if it is like 3-4 hours, then I can take a train at midnight back.

Nor Treblig - Jan 15, 2017 at 06:08

Locations are not known yet but you can always take a taxi/uber, e.g. http://www.taxi-calculator.com/taxi-rate-munich/de/59
When it's located on the outskirts taxi fare is about 30€, so it should be considerably less.

Someone - Jan 15, 2017 at 06:30

And the local public transport system in munich is very good. You can get everywhere you want with bus, tram, subway and s-bahn. :-) (Especially if you arrive at the central station.)

Zak Phoenix McKracken - Jan 15, 2017 at 07:38

I will arrive at the Munich International Airport. If the event will be in the city center, what is the best to take? Uber, taxi, underground... ?
Thanks

Thimbleweedster - Jan 15, 2017 at 07:55

The S-Bahn goes directly from the airport to the city center. Lucky me.. I live in Mewnick already! But let's wait and see what location they chose.

Flo - Jan 15, 2017 at 08:34

I would buy one of these tickets at the airport, if I were you:
http://www.mvv-muenchen.de/en/tickets-fares/tickets/day-tickets/airport-city-day-ticket/index.html
These tickets are valid the whole day and for all public transportation in and around Munich.
Public transport works very well (most of the time) in Munich. But as there are many possible destinations in the city it may be a bit complicated to find your way around. But there are apps for that, e.g. http://www.mvv-muenchen.de/en/journey-planner/mobile-services/mvv-app/index.html .

Zak Phoenix McKracken - Jan 15, 2017 at 13:15

Thank you very much!

Zak Phoenix McKracken - Jan 15, 2017 at 07:35

Will you be in Munich?
If so, may I ask you some logistic information?
Please contact me on Twitter or Facebook (Zak Phœnix McKracken), thank you!

Nor Treblig - Jan 15, 2017 at 09:33

Do you mean me? No, probably not (though not 100% sure yet). Munich is the nearest one from me but it would still be a 4 to 5 hour ride (vehicle or train) which I'm no so keen of. So maybe a flight.. (I'd buy a ticket instantly if they had proper return fees like in Zak :-)

If it would be summer on the other hand... I'd take some days off and ride to and from their through the mountains... that would have been great *sigh*

Zak Phoenix McKracken - Jan 15, 2017 at 11:58

Yes, I meant you.
Unfortunately, air ticket are not refundable, too bad...
OK, I was asking because it's my first time in Germany, so...
Never mind.

Nor Treblig - Jan 15, 2017 at 18:37

First time? Then maybe you should know that not everywhere in Germany they wear Lederhosen and dance Schuhplattler as seen on TV. Oh wait, you are going to Munich... never mind :-)

Also Bavarians are the only Germans being able to speak proper German! :-)

Zak Phoenix McKracken - Jan 16, 2017 at 04:04

Germany, Haus des Bieres (Google translate, don't betray me!)
Even if it's not October, I want to taste some good beers... red ones in particular!

Nor Treblig - Jan 16, 2017 at 04:47

I'm definitely not a beer connoisseur: Didn't even know there exists red one!

Seems like it translated "home" to "house" instead of something more like "home country".
This sounds probably best: "Deutschland, Heimat der Biere". But I was never good in German anyway :-)
For bestest of best translation we should ask Boris.

Dieter - Jan 16, 2017 at 04:53

Then you are in munich at the right place. :-) And you have to visit the "Hofbräuhaus":

http://www.hofbraeuhaus.de/en/index_en.html

Zak Phoenix McKracken - Jan 16, 2017 at 05:11

@Dieter: wow, thanks. I like its slogan: "where hosp**itali**ty is at the top of the list".

Big Red Button - Jan 16, 2017 at 10:15

I'm not an expert, but, red beer seems to be a traditional beer from Nuremberg. Maybe they use to offer it in Munich, too.
There are also many other sorts of beer from Bavaria, though. Helles, Dunkel and Export from Munich are very famous. As the name implies, Dunkel is very dark, due to the malt.
When it comes to Bavaria in general, most Germans think of Weißbier/Weizenbier (wheat beer) at first (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wheat_beer), which can be either clear or dimmish (in case of Hefeweizen) due to the brewer's yeast.

Zak Phoenix McKracken - Jan 16, 2017 at 10:34

@Big Red Button: I improperly wrote "red beer", but the correct translation is red-brown or amber beer.

Flo - Jan 16, 2017 at 14:09

Yes, Munich is great if you like beer. There are seven big breweries located in the city (Paulaner, Hofbräu, Löwenbräu, Hacker-Pschorr, Spaten, Franziskaner and Augustiner). Alas, today most of these breweries belong to the big international bewerege companies. But there are two exceptions: one is Hofbräu, which is state-run. The other is Augustiner, which is mostly owned by a local charity, and happens to be the oldest brewery in Munich (founded in 1328). Augustiner doesn't do any advertisments, so it is mostly known in Munich and its surroundings. But still, most people from Munich that I know of, prefer Augustiner beer. OTOH, most of the other beers are tasty, too, so perhaps you should try all of them :-)

Dieter - Jan 16, 2017 at 04:57

> Also Bavarians are the only Germans being able to speak proper German! :-)

There is the word "not" missing. ;-)

In fact, in the city(!) of munich there are only a few more people speaking the bavarian dialect.

Daniel Wolf - Jan 16, 2017 at 03:36

Munich has an excellent public transport system. No matter where the event is, you can be sure that you can reach it comfortably from the Main Station. In fact, it's often faster than going by car -- certainly during rush hours.

http://www.mvv-muenchen.de/

Zak Phoenix McKracken - Jan 16, 2017 at 04:38

OK, I have installed MVV App on my mobile.
Luckly there is also the english language :-)
Thanks for your suggestions!

Terryble - Jan 15, 2017 at 09:59

Wow, shit gets real. These are nice locations, especially ... There also could have been one completely unknown place, like Thimbleweed Park, with a surprise gig you can read afterwards about in some local newspaper.

Jan_W - Jan 15, 2017 at 10:39

This is really great, signed up on Facebook for the Berlin Event under my wife's name to make planning easier (as I am not an Facebook...). Hope I'll be admitted though...

tcmsurfer (Andreas) - Jan 15, 2017 at 11:48

I looked again and I think I could make the train fair. Depending on where it is and how late the event is going to be.

@Ron: I wish you would also consider Frnakfurt, since its in between those two locations.

When we say we are going to come, is it binding? I haven't checked out the link, yet. Will do at once though.

Henk - Jan 15, 2017 at 12:15

Signed-up using FB for Berlin!! Can't wait!

N. Harold Cham - Jan 15, 2017 at 15:35

Yeah, you're coming to Berlin! That's just awesome. Woo-hoo! Signed up and counting the days. I might bring my son. He's nine years old and he's been asking for the past six months if Team Thimbleweed Park already decided to come to Berlin to which I had to respond: well, it's not very likely they'll come to Germany at all. He's a boy that's wearing a Ransome shirt to school and playing "Jojo the Monkey" and the LeChuck theme on the piano. This is, with exaggeration, the greatest news in 2017 so far.

Jens - Jan 15, 2017 at 15:44

Aw man. We get the royal two-location nort-south treament and I can't make it to neither Munich nor Berlin. Well. See you in the Ruhr area for the inevitable "TP II: Back to the Park" road trip or the premiere of the TP movie in Berlin. And there's hope I'll still be alive for the 3D retro remake of TP in 30 years when everything's done in 4D and 3D is so 2017.

Jon - Jan 15, 2017 at 17:07

Signed up for London! Cant Wait. Hopefully there may be an opportunity to pick up some Thimbleweed Park Merchandise.

Derrick Reisdorf - Jan 16, 2017 at 01:06

Why does ze Germans love point-and-click adventure games so much?

Tobias R. - Jan 16, 2017 at 02:15

Because they have taste.

longuist - Jan 16, 2017 at 13:11

Becäüse they löve to point heir fingers to the nose and "click" the (M)MUCUS all day long.

Every evil clown had a beginning. - Jan 16, 2017 at 15:01

The young C64 Ransom when he started getting into the clown thing.

http://www.qpic.ws/images/ransom64.png

longuist - Jan 16, 2017 at 16:53

That was fast :)
The resolution is a bit too high, but maybe its fullscreen or he stole all available memory (ransome access memory)
Is there a reason its under my comment? Honi soit qui mal y pense :P

Oh my - Jan 16, 2017 at 17:03

Yes, I was in a hurry and missed the proper reply button. Can you imagine this?

It was meant as a reply to Jammet. Don't be upset, you're cool too, really. Pushing the nose: *eek eek*

longuist - Jan 16, 2017 at 17:50

guessed so. no need to apologize. Please accept this balloon animal:

~ (deflated)

the idea - Jan 16, 2017 at 18:52

It was a unicorn right? Hmm, this is a quality rubber. I can use this and make stuff with it.

longuist - Jan 17, 2017 at 13:39

No, it is no rubber, at least no used one :)

(I remember americans sometimes say rubber for a condom, *nudge* *nudge*, *wink* *wink*)

It has been a rhinoceros, of course!

longuist - Jan 17, 2017 at 13:41

to sth? Ah damn, need sleep

Salvador Limones wants to know ... - Jan 18, 2017 at 08:19

Where are you from? Did you enjoy the remastered version?

Jammet - Jan 16, 2017 at 08:09

Unrelated but ... I bet someone, at somepoint is going to make mock-up EGA screens of the game. Or even C64 screens. XD Looking forward to these!

Nor Treblig - Jan 16, 2017 at 17:57

Look what I've just fou..made: http://www.qpic.ws/images/ransom64.png
You can find more of this on my homepage ;-)

Gv - Jan 16, 2017 at 14:36

<advertising>
I live very far away from Germany and England, but in the meantime I can travel virtually to Europe in my in development retro adventure for Spanish speakers about Indiana Jeans and the legacy of the Pleiadians. If you want I can add a Thimbleweed Park event to the adventure for free!
</advertising>

Gffp - Jan 16, 2017 at 14:59

But what the... Ahahah my favourite characters are the child with the exploding stomach and the skeleton that cut lemons with a sword.

Gv - Jan 16, 2017 at 15:05

It's supposed to be a "hidden object game". You have to find those objects in the screen. It is an anti Ron design, because there are no puzzles. only finding objects + story + more finding objects + more story. Those are gifs from giphy and the backgrounds are from pixabay, all free stuff, well there are some that are not very free ;)

Gffp - Jan 16, 2017 at 15:13

Indiana Jeans: the quintessence of pixel hunting!

Gv - Jan 16, 2017 at 15:24

Thank you for liking it! :)

Gffp - Jan 16, 2017 at 15:44

I completed it too, even if I'm not so good with Spanish!
Hmmm, well, it reminds me of certain "games" that were back in the early nineties, there were also full screen images and we boys made also pixel hunting in search of, ahem, the "hot spots" eheheheh! :-P

Gv - Jan 16, 2017 at 16:39

It's unfinished, stay tuned for more ... ;)

Guga - Jan 17, 2017 at 00:39

I'd love to participate, but I really can't. Munich is too far away, even if it's only 3.5h with the car (or less, if you take advantage of that sweet sweet lack of Geschwindigkeitsübergrenzung in the German highways) I can't leave my wife alone with two kids for that day.

So... have fun, and make a toast in my honor. Zak, you're in charge.

Zak Phoenix McKracken - Jan 17, 2017 at 03:03

Then, take them with you :-)
Munich is a so fascinating and beautiful town, believe me. Even if it's my first time in Germany, believe me.

I'll make a toast in your honor, and a good beer, promised!

tcmsurfer - Jan 17, 2017 at 08:57

I had to blink twice. That is exactly what I am doing. My distance and situation are the same. Nevertheless, I probably only get to do this once, so I will.

Now I feel guilty. :(

Guga - Jan 18, 2017 at 01:06

Don't :D I already feel guilty that my wife has to stay alone with two kids (3yo and 1yo) during the week with no family here to help (being an immigrant sucks!), I'd feel TOO guilty if I left them also for the weekend.

So, if your wife works or has family that can help her, you're excused :P

Tobias R. - Jan 17, 2017 at 17:28

My wife allows me to go and stays with the kids. I love her… :-*

Stefan S. - Jan 18, 2017 at 16:13

Hi,
well decided. Munich would be my option.
Is it ok to come with the whole family (totally 4 persons , Kids with higher ages (up from 7))?
Currently I can not say for sure, if it is possible to come for us, as we would have a 3 hours car drive.
Would it be possible to get a boxed version or other merchandising of the game onsite?
A lot of questions I know. I am not sure if you even have the time to answer. Maybe.
BR
Stefan

Big Red Button - Jan 18, 2017 at 16:55

If you would like to come, to my knowledge, the only requirement would be to sign in for Munich - with either link above.

Up to now, a boxed copy is exclusive for some of the backers, who had helped financing the development of this game. Nevertheless, I assume that they are going to offer some merchandising items (while stocks last). But, if you're only interested in merchandising items, you can simply order them at this store:
https://www.fangamer.com/collections/thimbleweed-park

Zak Phoenix McKracken - Jan 18, 2017 at 17:38

As far as I know, there is no age limit.
The location is still unknown.

tcmsurfer (Andreas) - Jan 19, 2017 at 03:23

My wife would also like to go and my kids are at a similar age. However I don't think mine would enjoy themselves. It is after all at 7pm through 11pm and titled as a "party". So I guess there will be a lot of chatting among ourselves besides maybe having the possibility to play or see the game played. I don't really expect more than a meet'n'greet.

Considering my kids, I know they'd get bored quickly and as soon as 8pm hits, probably also tired (or hyper).

That is the reason why I'll travel alone. 48-100 seconds talking to Ron will be the "highlight". :)

I am iffy about moving around in München though. I don't really wanna spend the night and the night train back leaves at midnight. So I hope transportation to an from the location via public transportation will not be time consuming and possible at such a late hour.

Otherwise have fun coming alone and with the family, I guess. If it is really age limited, you might want to ask directly on the Facebook page (or via e-mail).

Okona1up - Jan 19, 2017 at 01:35

I'll be in Munich, see you there.

Gabarts - Jan 19, 2017 at 09:17

I've heard about another extra secret meeting here in Italy, right?

Zak Phoenix McKracken - Jan 19, 2017 at 10:50

Who knows...

typograph - Jan 19, 2017 at 09:46

Where can I download the excellent indy-some FONT you use for the banners?

peterszky - Jan 19, 2017 at 16:47

I hoped for a closer place, like Vienna, this locations are too far for me :(

Steffen - Jan 19, 2017 at 17:51

C'ya in BERLIN! Yes, yes, YES!

Miles - Jan 19, 2017 at 18:48

Mehh, I didn't get a respond for Berlin. Since you guys here allready know about your participation I guess the dices are fallen. Now I'm sad.

tcmsurfer - Jan 19, 2017 at 22:48

What do you mean? As far as I know there has been no update about the trips. I don't know of anybody who has additional info or any confirmation.

Or did I miss something?

Or are you talking about you not being able to come?

Miles - Jan 20, 2017 at 15:07

Some people posted "CU in Munich!" and such things so I supposed they got an OK-mail. But the new blogpost rather more indicates that we just appear at the location and hope to get in. Interesting ;)

Jenn Sandercock ✓ - Jan 22, 2017 at 14:04

There are no allocated tickets for anyone.

Some people signed up via a Google form. All we did is send an email to those people with basically the same information as we said here.

Zombocast - Jan 19, 2017 at 19:42

Thimbleweed Development Question, How are you dealing with after project contributions? This is specifically directed to the team no longer on the payroll.

Example: Mark Ferrari decides he wants to make a change to a room.
Example: Octavi did a special case animation on his free time.

I know your technically in content complete. But we all know content will change and there will be updates in future patches after release